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    • CommentAuthorFree Memberhalfacoke
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2008
     
    halfacoke

    I started running in Oct 07.  I am now up to 3.5 miles every other day and am hoping to start adding to my distance again in prep for my first 5K this spring.  I realize this makes me a newbie and I have a question.

    Occasionally when I run, at about the 2 mile mark, I will have pain radiating into my right shoulder.  I'm no pro at anatomy - but it is in the space that sort of makes a triangle between my collar bone and the top part of the shoulder muscle.  I don't know why, but I am convinced that this is cardiovascular related -- it just feels tied to my breathing.  If I stop and walk (which I HATE to do) the pain subsides.  But once I get going again, on that particular run, it will soon start up again once I'm back at my pace. 

    I don't get side aches when I run at all, but that is almost what it feels like -- a stitch in my shoulder.  Only the right shoulder.

    If this is "nothing" then great, I'll just push through it.  But I'm 37 and have a pretty serious family history of heart disease.   I would hate to ignore something I shouldn't.

    Anybody have any ideas or experienced this? 

     Halfacoke

     

     

    • CommentAuthorFree Membermegan78dav
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2008
     
    megan78dav

    Hi,

    Just to let you know. Cardivascular pain is unsually felt in the left shoulder/arm, but can be felt in the right side. If you have a family history of CHD I would suggest you go to you GP and have a chat. Particulerly if you have any other the other risk factors: Smoker, Over weight, raised blood pressure, raised cholesterol.

    Best to get the all clear before putting yourself at risk! Good luck, hope its just related to your breathing technique.

    M

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberTreyW
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2008
     
    TreyW

    I would get it checked.

    I had a minor heart attack several years ago at age 41. I was not exercising at the time and I was 50 pounds over weight. My only initial symptoms were shortness of breath and a slight tightness in my right shoulder. I had blockage that required three stints. I run regularly now and but I am comforted by an annual check up with my cardiologist including a stress test.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberyayaps
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2008 edited
     
    yayaps

    First off, please see your doctor for better advice.

    So, I've actually had this pain in the exact same area and its very interesting to hear someone else has the same issue. It's only in the right shoulder, almost like its cramping up (not getting good blood flow) during the run, and its recurring. When I run and that pain occurs, I usually try to shake/stretch that arm/shoulder mid-run. It sometimes goes away, but when it doesn't I will just run through it.

    FYI, I'm 30, in shape, and have been running for about a year (~20 miles/week). I generally run and lift-weights five days a week.

    Maybe that pain is a byproduct of weight-training? In general, the shoulder is the most complex joint in the human body. Theres a lot going on in that area.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberhalfacoke
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2008
     
    halfacoke

    Wow -- interesting comments.

    To clarify, I am not overweight, nor do I have high cholesterol or high blood pressure.  I am running because my Father's family has heart disease in 3 out of 3 kids -- he and his siblings.  He died of a heart attack by 61.

    The pain is strange, recurring every so often, and in such a specific place, I figure there must be some cause.  I don't have any other pain or discomfort anywhere else when I run -- I love how running makes me feel and I'm somewhat addicted!  I'm not doing any weight training so that is a dead end too.

    I appreciate the comments and if it keeps recurring I will probably talk to a GP, to be safe.

     

    Halfacoke

     

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberKDogg
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2008
     
    KDogg

    I think it might be that you are pushing it a little bit too much. I've experienced the very same thing, and I've noticed that it almost always happens when I am not in peak performance shape and when I am going faster than I should be going during a particular workout (or occasionally race).

    I honestly don't think its any kind of problem issue, but if it starts to really bother you more often or more painfully, then perhaps speaking with a doctor is the right thing to do.

    good luck 

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberAPDuncan27
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2008
     
    APDuncan27

    I've always had the same issue, but for me it can be in either shoulder.  Never been able to figure out what it is, but for me it usually occurs early in the run when I am not "pushing it" at all.  Same for me, sometimes it goes away but most the time it just stays there.  The pain has not got better over time, but I am so used to it now that I barely notice it.

     I've had ekg and other heart test done for other reasons and everything has checked out fine, so it's still a mystery to me.

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberDr. Pip
    • CommentTimeMar 16th 2008
     
    Dr. Pip

    As a runner I have experienced the same thing (particularly when pushing it up hills) and as a chiropractor,  have an understanding of WHY it is happening. 

     You have a fantastic muscle called a diaphragm that is your main breathing muscle.  It is the reason that your belly seems to expand when you take a good deep breath (diaphragmatic breathing).  Now, for when you need to use every last bit of capacity in your lungs, there are "accessory breathing muscles".  These guys come out to help also lift your chest and make more air space.

     The trouble is, we often don't breath properly, and as runners, this can carry over to our running.  Most likely you are simply breathing incorrectly compounded by a postural imbalance.  You are over-stressing these muscles, so they are letting you know with spasms.  Work on breathing through with your diaghragm, then carry this into your running.  Run with your shoulders relaxed (not up around your ears, as many of us do!) and your spine properly aligned.  When I feel this problem come up, I know it is time to refocus on my technique and get myself adjusted!

     Hope that helps!

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberAPDuncan27
    • CommentTimeMar 16th 2008
     
    APDuncan27
    Great post Dr. Pip, that makes perfect sense.  Just goes to show how important keeping good form and staying relaxed is.
    • CommentAuthorFree Memberhalfacoke
    • CommentTimeMar 16th 2008
     
    halfacoke

    Thanks Dr. Pip!  I'm glad to know I wasn't crazy -- that my body was actually telling me something to related to my breathing. 

    I have been focusing a lot lately on my running posture, but not much on my breathing.  Any hints on diaghragm breathing?  This is a new idea to me, but evidently something I should be aware of.

    Also interesting as I look back -- I had just run a decent sized hill prior to the shoulder pain.  It all makes sense. 

     

    Halfacoke

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberKymie4
    • CommentTimeMar 17th 2008
     
    Kymie4

    This used to happen to me all the time when I started running.  It doesn't happen as much any more, but I have been actively working on keeping my shoulders relaxed when I run.  Pretty soon it just became second nature to me. Keeping your shoulders relaxed will probably help over time, so this type of thing won't happen as much anymore.

     For now when it does happen I think its a good thing to slow down a bit and concentrate on your breathing.  When you take a deep breath in, let your stomach expand, then let it contract as you breathe out.  This will ensure that you're using your diaphragm.

     While it probably is just your breathing, I still think you should get checked by a doctor.  One of the biggest risk factors for CHD is a family history of it, and chest pain CAN be referred to the right shoulder.  If there's nothing wrong with you, confirming this will give you peace of mind.  If there is something wrong, and you catch it early, you'll be better able to manage it.  

    Of course this is just my opinion...good luck with whatever you decide!

     Happy Running!

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberabrown86
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2008 edited
     
    abrown86

    I actually get this sometimes when I run as well, but I often get it in both shoulders... if it's really bad it even radiates down as far as my lower arms/hands.

    My personal opinion (not a doctor) is that the constant repetitive swinging motion of the arms exerts a lot of pressure on the various nerves and arteries that run through your brachial plexus, a very small path right in front of your shoulder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brachial_plexus). This might be exacerbated if your hold your arms further back while running. I feel like this tingling/shooting pain is the same I get if I wear a really heavy backpack for long periods of time.

    However, it seems to clear up as soon as I stretch out my shoulders or loosen up and bring my arms forward. You can even do this while running by pointing your hand towards the air and rotating your arm until you feel your shoulder start to loosen up..... although this may make you look like a jackass running with your arm in the air, it seems to do the trick for me.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberjng914
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2008
     
    jng914
    I also have been having this same problem now for over a year.  It only starts to happen after i have been running awhile.  The only way i can describe the pain is how it feels when gas is leaving the body.  Let me explain that better.  I had a laproscopic surgery and to do those they pump your stomach with air, after the procedure the doctor explains that the air that doesnt come out the "normal way" ( dont make me say it:)) leaves your body through your shoulder, exactly where i feel the pain, and it feels just like that did, just not at the degree of pain in the hospital.  I have no idea if that is what the pain is, but thats the only way i can describe the pain, would love any feedback.