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    • CommentAuthorFree Membercc4life07
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2008 edited
     
    cc4life07

    You guys (and gals) are always very helpful in figuring things out so any help would be appreciated.

     I'm not new to running in any sense but have never really maintained a muscle building program.  I'm pretty scrawny, 6'2'', 155 lbs.  My apt complex is very limited to machines and don't have that much but the basics.  Anyone have a good every day/every other day weight training schedule to help me out (that can still be performed on the equipment i got, free weights included).  I would love to build my upper body a lot more so my arms and chest don't feel as weak during a run.  Thanks for the help!

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberdrkonijn
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2008
     
    drkonijn
    All I do for upper body is push ups and pull ups. The only equipment you need for that is arms an upper body and a pull up bar which can be found free in most playgrounds. I remember when I first started doing pull ups I could hardly do even one, but I just kept at it and now they're not so bad.
    • CommentAuthorFree Memberjkpesven
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2008
     
    jkpesven

    You can do split squats, wall squats (great with an exercise ball if you have one), and lunges.  None of those require weights and are great quad workouts.  You can also get some of that theraband stuff and do some resistance work with it.  I would search the net for specific techniques for the exercises I have mentioned.  I too used to neglect the weight training and just ran.  I eventually hurt my knee (couldn't run for about two months) because of muscle weakness and overuse.  Weight training solved that problem.  I don't do much upper body stuff, just some dumbell curls, I have a curlbar too that I use once in a while.  I do some bench press too. 

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    jonbartolotta

    Pushups and more pushups and then try some more pushups.  No equipment needed there.  If you need more weight put something on your back.  I let my kids lie down on my back while I do puchups.  It adds an extra 30 - 60 pounds.  And the kids love using daddy as thier jungle gym.  You could try some core exercises also.  While looking for a good program to train for a triathlon I found this web site

    http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/cms/article-detail.asp?articleid=486

     My abs hurt for a while the first time I did this. Good luck

    • CommentAuthorFree Membertrek7300
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2008
     
    trek7300

    When you want to build muscle it's really important to increase/monitor your calorie/protien/carb intake otherwise you'll end up taking muscle from somewhere else!

    Plenty of info here.

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbinfo.php?page=BasicsofNutrition

     

     

    • CommentAuthorFree Membercc4life07
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2008
     
    cc4life07

    Thanks for the help guys!  I know to do pushups and such...although I still dont do those.  I'm just getting back into it again so I'm hoping for the best with this training program.  Let me know if you think of anything else.  Thanks again!

    • CommentAuthorFree Membervickerms
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2008
     
    vickerms

    If you are interested in body weight type exercises http://www.trainforstrength.com/exercises.shtml

     this site has a lot of really good ones.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberchiggy_
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2008
     
    chiggy_

    I'm similar in stature to you 6'0" 150lb. I try do my weights three days a week, Mon, Wed, Fri. Although it usually ends up only being twice a week. It seems to be enough though as I have been feeling stronger when I get tired and my form doesn't get quite as bad.

    I dont have any real program that I do. I always do some sort of ab workout, then either pushups or a light bench, then standing arm curls or maybe some bench dips. Always light weight and high reps of course. It's not much and my whole workout takes maybe 15-20 min, but I've gotten stronger, haven't gained a pound, and am more toned than I was before.

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberBill707
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2008
     
    Bill707
    If you could find yourself a simple dumbell bench (without the olympic bar and stand) you can do a complete upper body workout that will build upper body muscle. Since you have the free weights already you will be in good shape. Start off by working your core upper body, by doing say 3 sets of 15-30 pushups. Make sure do to do variations in the pushups, meaning normal, wide, and pyramids. Do three sets of each of them. Do that one day, then work your arms with curls. After a couple weeks try this: Lift 4 days a week. Break it down to one day Chest and Back, one day Bi's, one day Tri's, and one day shoulders. For chest and back start with three sets of regular pushups, then 3 sets of fly on the bench with dumbells, then 3 sets dumbell press on the bench, followed by three more sets of reg pushups. For Bi's do three sets of each: normal curls, hammer curls, isolated curls. Move the weights up each set starting with say 20lb dumbell 12 times, 25lb 10 times, 30lb 8 times. That shocks the muscles. Shoulders: 3 sets wide pushups, 3 sets military press, 3 sets dumbell front raises, 3 sets dumbell wide raises, 3 sets of wide pushups. Back: 4-6 sets of dumbell reverse fly (sit on edge of bench, lean over). Your back gets a great workout from all those pushups your doing on other days. Tri's: 3 sets pyramid pushups, 3 sets skull crunchers (lay on back, one arm at a time take a dumbell from arm lock position and bend so the weight goes towards the back of your head), 3 sets of dumbell extensions, 3 sets of pyramid pushups. That will work for you. Make sure to take protein shakes or eat ALOT of protein throughout the day (almonds, yogurt, etc.  Oh, yeah as they say FORM is everything.
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    liltexasrunner1224
    i'm not on a specific weight training program but me and my family have a weight machine at our house. I usually just use dumbells for my workouts, which seems to help a lot. I lay down on the ground flat with my arms out to the side, so im in the shape of a cross or a "T", then i lift them above my head. That works a lot of muscles in the arms, but also works on your chest and pecs. I also have this arm workout, it's kind of confusing and i dont know how well i'll be able to explain it but i'll try. You sit either on a bench or chair straight up, get dumbells and put one in each hand. Start with your arms at right angles near your head, lift the weights up above your head and tap them, then bring them down at the ninety degree angles again. Rotate your arms in front of you with your palms facing towards your face and bring the weights together. then bring them back to the ninety degree angles and repeat all over again. That's what i do the most, but i don't know if that made any sense to you. Push-ups are also really good and if you work on your abs and get them strong, it helps you with all of your core strength.
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    IRun4Fun81

    Hello all, if I run 5 times a week, how often should I be doing pushups / situps, i.e. core exercises?  I'm hoping this will help me shave time off of my mile.  I am currently running 2.25 miles / day and the best time I've achieved was 18:43, good for an 8:19 mile...this, to me, has to come down.  I'm 6'2" (male) and weigh 191.2 with about 14.06% body fat (as per http://www.runnersworld.com/bodyfatcalc/).  What's your take? 

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberlbefit4
    • CommentTimeJul 7th 2008
     
    lbefit4

    Hi all,

     I started strength training about 10 years ago and am on a regular routine of  2 or 3 times per week, giving my muscles a day or two to recoop.  It is important to work your muscles to fatigue so they can tear and rebuild - this will help you achieve what you are trying to.  if you can get your hands on some cheap dumbbell training charts - I bought mine online at a discount fitness site.  Doing biceps, triceps, shoulder presses, chest presses, upright rows, and front deltoid raises could be a good start, you should use a weight that will fatigue you during your second set otherwise you are not going to see results.  A set could be 8 or 10 reps.  I am 5'3' and currently I am using 10 or 12 lbs dumbbells - my problem is getting tendinits in my fingers from holding onto the weights (but nevermind about me) - good luck with it.

     

     

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberFBP
    • CommentTimeJul 7th 2008
     
    FBP

    Is it ok to add on your push ups / core work after a short run - say a quick half hour run, followed with core work, or would you dedicate a separate day ie, no running and perhaps 1hr exercise?

     

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberGrantB
    • CommentTimeJul 7th 2008
     
    GrantB

    I'm going to throw in my two cents on this because I have seen (and experienced) far too many injuries because people tend to overwork some body parts while underworking others.

    All of the exercises that people have mentioned are probably good exercises but they are missing some incredibly important advice that goes along with it: balance.  By balance I mean you have to balance the workout of opposing muscle groups.  For example, if you work out your abs then you have to work out your lower back as well (and your obliques too).  Failing to do this results in strong abs but a weak lower back and it compounds the chances of a lower back injury.  Other pairings include chest and back, quads and hamstrings, biceps and triceps, and working the entire shoulder set.  I know this sounds like a lot of exercises that you end up doing but in reality it is not.  For every pushup set you do you need to do some sort of rowing set --chinups or pullups might do it for you although the working angle is not the same-- I prefer a barbell row (sort of like the motion you might have pullstarting  the lawnmover).  You can do squats or lunges for the legs and as long as you go far enough down (not needing the knee to go past 90 degrees) then you activate the hamstrings, glutes AND quads all at once.  Do crunches or situps (crunches probably make you less likely to injure your neck trying to pull your head up) and combine that with an exercise call Superman where you lie on your stomach on the ground with your arms "over" your head (i.e. if you were standing up then your arms would be reaching for the sky but since you are lying down...)  From this lying position contract your back so that you take on the classic Superman flying pose, hold for a second or two then relax.  That is one rep..... work your way up to being able to do 20 reps.

    The other thing to remember is when you are starting out any workout plan (aside from making sure you are healthy enough to do so) is to start relatively easy.  Do a full body workout for the first month or two until your body gets accustomed to the fact that it is doing this "new thing" before jumping into some sort of hardcore crazy workout.  You may be in shape from running but that does not mean that you can go out and  suddenly pick up objects the mass of small cars  and toss them around.

    So here is my full body work out suggestion.  Do this 3 times a week to begin.  if you can't do it 3 times a week then do it twice a week and work up to 3 times:

    1- Pushups (vary the hand position over time as has been mentioned) 

     2-barbell row if you have weights or chinups/pullups if you do not

    3- lunges (you can add weight by holding on to some dumbbells or  even some books or a large pack properly fastened to your back)

    4- Ab crunches

    5- Superman 

    To start with do a good warmup that gets the blood flowing (dare I say a light jog) then work through the movements once with no real weight behind it (pushups from your knees, rows with just a few light pounds, etc) to warmup the joints that will be doing the movements.  Once that is all done go back and start your routine by doing all of the exercises one after the other taking a small break in between if you need it.  Once you have done all of the exercises once (not including your warmup) go back and repeat the routine a second and third time.

    You may have noticed that I did not suggest any arm specific exercises... trust me on this, your pushups and rows will work your arms  quite well for the first month or two.  Pushups will work the triceps (especially as you vary you hand stance) and the row will work your biceps very well.  After a month or two you will change up your routine and add exercises for your arms then.

    After a month or two of this you will want to change your workout as your muscles will get used to the load you are putting on them.  You will also want to start breaking up your workout to be more body part specific (i.e. upper body one day then lower body another day then eventually perhaps one or two body parts a day only)

    Don't start by doing too much right from the start.  If you combine your running and your workouts you will be over training.  You'll know if you are doing this if you start to feel tired and have no desire to exercise anymore (it's quite common I fear).  Let your body grow accustomed to the new things it is doing and slowly build it up.

    Good luck with your training... and your workout.

    (Even if you have found some good exercises already, keep in mind the balanced muscle approach... for every push there is a pull, for every curl there is an extend... etc.  It is the most important thing to remember.) 

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    aussiebloke
    GrantB is pretty close to right on the money - I also do push ups etc but also try to pair every muscle strengthening with its antagonist (term for paired muscle). The other quite interesting fact is that there is actually no evidence to suggest doing more than one set of each exercise is necessary to build more strength - The current guidelines by the american college of sports medicine (The most respected organisation for providing scientifically based evidence for training) suggests that one set of strengthening exercises to the point of failure is the best way to build strength. The other interesting piece of information is that evidence suggests that you cannot build strength and endurance at the same time - with this in mind i tend to go through a 6 week strengthening cycle followed by a 6 week endurance cycle and alternate these programs throughout the year. The important thing is to build up slowly but remember you do need to push a bit to get noticeable improvements.
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    aussiebloke
    Just to clarifiy what i said - doing 3 sets of each strengthening exercise is NOT necessary no additional benefit is gained by doing more than one set - this is not just me suggesting this it is proven evidence by the ACSM
  6.  
    RunningKnows

    There is an interesting book out there for working out with minimal equipment, as long as you ignore the section on aerobic exercise (basically it says you don't need it......):  Men's Health has a book called The Home Workout Bible (it's big, white, black, and red, and hard to miss.....ISBN: 9781579546571 ) that actually has a pretty wide range of exercises, and is a pretty fun read if you ignore some of the joke-y asides.  It's pretty complete as far as balance (working opposing muscle groups) goes, and shows you how to substitute a balance ball for a weight bench if you so choose.  They also cover a wide range of apparatus, from things you can find around the house to dumbbells to free weights to cable gyms, complete with a quite competent buying guide on all the above.  They do a pretty good job of demonstrating good form for the exercises and it's not terribly expensive, either. 

    Although working the upper body is important, an interesting article just came out in the Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise (ACSM's journal, June 2008, if you have access to scientific journals) about maximal weight training for the legs and endurance exercise.  It seems that they (a group in Norway) were able to increase running efficiency and time-to-exhaustion by introducing a heavy strength training component (4 sets of 4 reps of half-squats at the 4 rep maximum..... which is roughly 90% of 1 rep maximum, increasing weight by 2.5 kg if the subject could manage 5 reps, 3 times/wk...... this is a pretty serious workout with serious weight, so be sure to approach with all care and a good spotter).  The athletes they were training were more on the elite side, but doing a little "leg-work" probably wouldn't hurt those of us who are a little more casual...... 

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    chrisleyrain
    LOSING WEIGHT takes some time to do. What I would to make sure you are doing it correctly for you is to seek a dietitian. Every person is different and seeing a professional they can give you sound advice for your body type. Normally I eat the proper foods in proportion, drink a lot of water and stay away from the junk food. My weight some time will fluctuate and I am not sure of the reason. I hope this helps.