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    • CommentAuthorasqwhy
    • CommentTimeMay 19th 2008
     
    asqwhy

    After 15 years of slug-like behavior, I started getting back to running this past January.  I started with long walks in our local park and over the last 3 months I have gradually added jogging and running to my workouts.  I am now running 5 days per week and this last week I put in a little over 15 miles with a total duration of 3 hrs 40 minutes.  Last week I did a long run just under 6 miles.

    Here's my problem: my heart rate during my long run was between 150 and 168 most of that time (I use a heart rate monitor).  My HRmax is computed to be 176.  I'm 45.

    I feel great - best I've felt in years.  My average heart rate is coming down over my long runs - and I can feel myself getting stronger and better.

     But is it OK to keep running like this?  I'm way above the 75% range where it's supposed to be during these runs.  Or is it?

    • CommentAuthorrunbethrun
    • CommentTimeMay 19th 2008
     
    runbethrun

    I am no professional, but I am also 45, female, you don't say if your are male or female, but they do take that into consideration when computing your MHR.  Anyway I have trained around your same heart rate and am still alive. I don't think it will hurt you to train at that rate, you will see it come down and you will have to work harder to get it up there again.   But good for you, keep up the good work on taking care of yourself.

     

    • CommentAuthorasqwhy
    • CommentTimeMay 19th 2008
     
    asqwhy
    Thanks runbethrun.  For the record I'm a male.
    • CommentAuthorkenny9
    • CommentTimeMay 20th 2008
     
    kenny9

    Hey, your story sounds familiar!!

    I just starting running again within the last three years, of course walk / run in the beginning, I am currently 46.  My heart rate has pretty much always been exactly as yours, in that 150 and 168 range, and that is not at a real fast pace, maybe a 10 minute mile.

     I usually warm up the first 5 minutes or so around 130 - 140, then pick up my pace to the 150 - 160 range, then the last 5 minutes doing the same.

     More recently I have been doing interval training to get my pace / speed up, and my heart rate goes up to 170 - 175 or so.  I only do these once a week or so, the rest of the week is at a lower rate. 

     I have always wondered the same as you about the max heart rate, but just kept pushing forward. 

     If feel great too, and I'm still alive! 

  1.  
    garrettlonewolfe

    Just my two cents worth. I am 36, male, and have bounced back and forth with running over the past few years. My max hr should be 185, however I have gotten it up to 189 without dropping over. Usually my hr falls in the 160-165 range without being out of breath.

     From all my research the key factor is how you feel. If you do not feel out of breath then you should be in the aerobic range of running. Anerobic endurance (higher hr's) cause you to be gasping and is not good for long-term improvement.

    • CommentAuthorjacanz
    • CommentTimeMay 20th 2008
     
    jacanz

    The other point is that the quoted MHR is the theoritical maximum - individuals can and do deviate from the computed figures quite dramatically. Testing your maximum heart rate needs to be done under suitable supervision as there is some risk involved.

    Having trusted myself to my trainer's tender mercies, my maximum heartrate is about 10bpm above the quoted figure for my age/gender. And it should be noted that as this is tested on a treadmill your legs may conk out before your absolute limit is reached but it is more accurate than the quoted figures by age/gender.

    Also where you can comfortably train is impacted as much by resting as maximum heart rate. That figure is much easier to test, just lie round doing nothing for at least 10 minutes then check - the most accurate figure is first thing on waking.

    These all then alter the 65 or 75 or whatever % you are aiming for. And again, each person is a little different on where they go anerobic as well. If you continue training you will notice that it takes more effort to drive your heart rate up as high. But while it is happening feel free to cruise along where it feels good for you. I did the trainnig for my first 2 half marathons at anything up to 15bpm higher than the books said. The faster ones started to happen when the heart rate came down - so then I just did longer long runs and faster fast runs!

     

    • CommentAuthorasqwhy
    • CommentTimeMay 20th 2008
     
    asqwhy

    To everyone who has commented on this thread: thank you!  I appreciate the advice and encouragement.  I'll keep on trucking: Run Forest! Run!

     

    • CommentAuthormimig1027
    • CommentTimeMay 23rd 2008
     
    mimig1027

    You might want to try some sub-max testing to estimate your real max HR. All those equations that calculate your maxHR from your age and a base number are horribly inaccurate. For example the old 220-age would put my max at 192 (I'm 28), but through experience and testing it would appear my real max is somewhere around 210. I discovered this in a triathlon where I reached 205 in a big hill climb. Your maxHR doesn't change dramaticly with age, just the amount your able to do within each zone changes.

     There's some great stuff from Sally Edwards, mutli-Iroman and general triathlon guru who helped develop the heart zone based training methods. Check out this link for info on HR and sub-max testing:

    http://www.howtobefit.com/determine-maximum-heart-rate.htm

    Good luck and keep on running!

    • CommentAuthornasar
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2008
     
    nasar

    well done you are doing great I have been wearing a HRM for years don't really take that much notice of it though . When I finnish my run I check the average which is usualy  153-160 I ma 34 Male 88Kgs

     

    I know that the HRM should can really help to train but other than strict regimes of Fartlek, speed sessions etc how can you use it ?

     By the ay I have not run since Wednesday ( today it's Sunday) I feel like a piece of crap I have just had 7 Choclate rich tea biscuits which make me feel worse . It's raining outside I need to get out and breathe arrghhhh. take care to all and salam / best wishes & good karma

    • CommentAuthorschmidttr
    • CommentTimeMay 26th 2008
     
    schmidttr

    Before doing too much more, I would suggest that you see your doctor. I'm an unusual case. I'm a 34 yr old female and been into sports my entire life. I have a low resting heart rate (60 bpm or less), but I have an extraordinarily high heart rate... 189 bpm regardless of the distance I run, and it spikes up to that rate in less than 2 minutes of running. I had a trainer a few years ago tell me that I need to see a doctor regarding this because it is unusually high.

    Long story short, I ended up going to a cardiologist. She did EKG, 24-hr halter monitor, stress test, and echocardiogram to ensure that my heart was healthy. She says that I'm at no risk for a heart attack while running... but she does see me annually to check up on me.

    Don't take any risks!! See your doctor immediately!!!!!

    • CommentAuthorhimanee
    • CommentTimeMay 26th 2008 edited
     
    himanee
    Hi everyone -- One rule of thumb regarding heart rate that I've heard is this: if you want to do a strict cardio workout and burn calories/fat, try to maintain 60 to 70 percent of your maximum heart rate. If you're interested in building muscle, you can go a little higher -- 80 to 85 percent of the heart rate. I've never worn a heart monitor, but I do try and take a pulse rate every so often while exercising and usually find that when I'm feeling good, getting up a good sweat, I'm around 75 percent. I'm also 45 and female.
    • CommentAuthorPoggster
    • CommentTime6 days ago
     
    Poggster

    It's so nice to hear that others have got similar issues with running! I am a 33yr F and have been running on an off for 7 years. Every year I will do a half marathon and will typically run up to 10k runs twice or three times per week at c10minute mile pace. I also enjoy swimming and cycling and keep myself as fit as possible however my pulse rate "ramps up" exponentially when running and within a couple of minutes I will be at 160.

     I average 168 on a distance run which doesn't really drop. I also return from m runs very sweaty and with a bright red face that seems to take the rest of the day to fade.... Does anyone know what kind of activities would help improve on this? Would fartlek training help? I can't quite seem to move it to a level where the running gets easier for increasing speed - although I can add miles at the same pace no problem.

  2.  
    petrie_dish
    I'm 36yr M and I have a similar situation.  Most of my runs my HR is in the 170s, throw in hills and I hit the 180s or even the low 190s, which according to the charts is too high for me, I feel fine.  I would say if you feel okay, you're not running out of breath, and your HR returns to normal fairly quickly (I usually drop 55-60 BPM after 5 minutes), then what you're doing is okay.  Just my thoughts....